obdaddy Returns

After all this time, obdaddy suddenly leaves a comment on my YouTube page:

Thanks for keeping me up on your page, Andrew. I enjoyed your ridiculous diatribe on your scaac site, glad to know that I made you think. About time someone did…

For reference, here’s the ridiculous diatribe. Ok. What’s ridiculous about asking why I would lie about Beck when I admit to listening to Limbaugh (and, if asked, I can give a list of things I disagree with Rush about)? What’s ridiculous about expecting him to give some evidence of caring for society’s weak? What’s ridiculous about noting the distinction between being hooked on drugs and having kicked said drugs (you don’t see me harping much on Obama’s college drug use)? What’s ridiculous about drawing conclusions about who is naive based on simple demographic facts?

What is ridiculous is saying someone who voted for Alan Keyes “protests too much” about not being a racist.

What is ridiculous is saying you care for society’s weak without being able to mention anything specific you’ve done.

What is ridiculous is attacking a conservative for getting hooked on pain meds while defending a liberal who tried cocaine.

What is ridiculous is calling conservative views “naive” while a) you’re in the minority for your older age group and b) believing that the government actually cares for people.

obdaddy

Here’s a rough transcript of the debate between me and obdaddy. It started in the comments of the video of Alan Grayson’s attack on the Republican healthcare stance. Wading through the hordes of commenters has proved impossible, but it eventually moved to my channel’s comments. I know my grammar was atrocious. Most of this was done in the wee hours of the morning.

obdaddy:

whats the matter, kid? too chicken to play with the big boys? post on the video if you want to engage with me, let me show the 6 people watching what a tool you are.

obdaddy:

Look, junior, the tea baggers are protesting spending…of our tax dollars. Its offensive that they’re trying to co-opt the tea party name. as i said, their signs and chants are racist, not there mission, although I’m sure a big motivating factor is racism. You have Fox ‘news’ listed as your favorite news source, please don’t lie about not listening to their long line of [edit], beck, orielly, hannity, coulture, hume…And peewee is that knucklehead above this post, right there in your videos. [edit By 'peewee', he's referring to Steven Crowder, in this video]

obdaddy:

And you’ve got to be kidding with the whole ‘liberals started the town hall fights’ thing. you’re prophets beck and limbaugh spent weeks rallying you sheep. Revisionist history only works if nobody’s paying attention. Now go to bed, I’m sure you must have a killer kegger to hit tomorrow, bra.

obdaddy:

i said waterboarding and torture, son. Threat levels were raised before elections, trying to bring about judgement day (while impossible, why not just try and bring down the wrath of the easter bunny, too) by trying to start a holy war is treason, the question isn’t what I did for katrina, its what a cluster [edit] the bush admin made of the ‘recovery’, and are you freakin’ kidding me re: bush/ north korea? Kid, get your head out of limbaugh’s [edit], i promise you, the world smells a lot better out here. Bring pee wee with you, he looks as though he could use a good deep breath.

Me:

“whats the matter, kid? too chicken to play with the big boys? post on the video if you want to engage with me, let me show the 6 people watching what a tool you are.”

are you really that dumb? Why would I be chicken of anonymous Internet users? There’s limits to commenting on the actual video – from character length to numbers of posts. THAT’S why I posted on your profile, genius. [edit I believe he deleted those posts. I cannot find them on his page.]

Why are you calling me a tool? When did I insult you? When did I demean you? You have insulted me, been disrespectful to me, and used lewd slurs to refer to people I admire. You criticize so-called “teabaggers” for having hateful chants while making a post such as this. [edit Not sure which post I'm referring to]

“Look, junior, the tea baggers are protesting spending…of our tax dollars. Its offensive that they’re trying to co-opt the tea party name. as i said, their signs and chants are racist, not there mission, although I’m sure a big motivating factor is racism. You have Fox ‘news’ listed as your favorite news source, please don’t lie about not listening to their long line of [edit], beck, orielly, hannity, coulture, hume…And peewee is that knucklehead above this post, right there in your videos.”

Please indicate how the Tea Partiers are racist. I will admit that there is a significant difference in what the Tea Parties of today are protesting and what the Boston Tea Party was protesting – but why are you offended? Were you at the Boston Tea Party? Do you know how those men would have felt about today’s spending? I do. They would have been disgusted. Not because of “taxation without representation,” to be sure, but all – or nearly all – of those men were in favor of power belonging to the states OR of the centralized government still being extremely limited.
Again, please indicate, specifically, how their signs and chants are racist. And let me remind you that the only (former) KKK member who I know of in Congress is a Democrat. And let me remind you that we conservatives opposed universal health care, gun control, bigger government, bigger spending, higher taxes, and all the other liberal things under the white liberal Presidents long before anyone had ever heard of Obama. I am opposed the [sic] the man on nearly every issue, but it has nothing to do with his race. My brother is an Indian. Two of my three roommates are black and we get along just fine. I lived with a black family for several years and those four boys were like brothers to me. I have two friends from Africa.
And I’d appreciate it if you’d stop insulting my integrity. I can assure you that I HAVE NEVER WATCHED GLENN BECK, though I like what I’ve heard about him. I’ve watched Hannity two – maybe three times. I watched O’Reilly once (and that was only because my BLACK, OBAMA-SUPPORTING friend was watching it [on his TV]). I’ve never read Coulter and have only seen her as a guest on other’s shows. I don’t know who Hume is. And I assume by “that knucklehead” you mean Crowder. I do watch Crowder, but he’s a source of entertainment, not information. If I hear a “fact” from him that I’d like to use to support my arguments, you’d better believe I’ll research it first. Ditto for Mr. Conservatism himself, Rush Limbaugh. I have Fox News listed as my favorite news source because I like it better than CNN, MSNBC, or any of those other networks. I still don’t use it much. I use a wide variety of places for my information, but Fox News is the most recognizable to others, and that’s why it’s on my profile. I am a true Bible-following Christian, sir, and as such I do not lie, do drugs, get drunk, be racist, hate others, be disrespectful intentionally, overeat, give false testimony, or any of a myriad other sins. The ones I do do, I am ashame of and constantly strive to cease doing. And I do not appreciate you accusing me of the opposite.

“And you’ve got to be kidding with the whole ‘liberals started the town hall fights’ thing. you’re prophets beck and limbaugh spent weeks rallying you sheep. Revisionist history only works if nobody’s paying attention. Now go to bed, I’m sure you must have a killer kegger to hit tomorrow, bra.”

Again, I’ve never watched Beck. And as for Limbaugh, I’m hardly a sheep. I haven’t even attended a Town Hall or Tea Party, though I wish the best for most of those who have. As for my plans tomorrow, I’m going to church and then – like a true capitalist conservative – I’m going to WORK. I have never attended and never plan to attend a kegger. Alcohol holds not the slightest bit of attraction to me – but don’t take that to mean I think it’s evil or anything like that. Drunkenness, yes, but drinking alcohol, no.

At the moment, I cannot think of anyone (aside from the obvious – Hussein, Osama, and the like) who is less suited to call me “bra” than yourself. So far, the only thing I can see that we have in common is that we are American males.

“i said waterboarding and torture, son. Threat levels were raised before elections, trying to bring about judgement day (while impossible, why not just try and bring down the wrath of the easter bunny, too) by trying to start a holy war is treason, the question isn’t what I did for katrina, its what a cluster [edit] the bush admin made of the ‘recovery’, and are you freakin’ kidding me re: bush/ north korea? Kid, get your head out of limbaugh’s [edit], i promise you, the world smells a lot better out here. Bring pee wee with you, he looks as though he could use a good deep breath.”

No, you didn’t. You only said torture. You never specfically mentioned waterboarding. As for torture itself, I see the benefits, but this is one of the extremely rare issues on which we may agree. I am against torture. A “holy war,” really? Seems to me that, while you may be right, threat levels would indeed be higher during elections – what better time for terrorists to try something?

As for the Katrina thing – look at yourself before you criticize others. Again, I ask you, what did you do to help your countrymen? And Bush, and the other authorities, cannot be held solely responsible for people who refused to listen to them in the first place. That said, I do think Bush messed up quite a bit with Katrina. But, please, keep a civil “tongue” in your typing.

Back to North Korea – No, I’m not. Name one time that Kim Jong Il shot off missiles during the Bush Administration. As for Limbaugh – I don’t take everything he says as God-given truth. I don’t even recall him ever mentioning North Korea in this context (I wasn’t listening around the time of the hole [sic] missile thing). I do indeed listen to him. But, I listen to him, and watch Crowder, and other things to hear stuff, but only so I know what to research. Tell me, do you listen to Rush? I’m guessing not, given your opinion. So, how do you know what he says?

Just for fun, let’s compare on of the guys on my side – Rush Limbaugh – to one of the guys on your side – Obama.

Drugs: Rush got addicted to prescription medicine that he originally needed. He then got the help he needed and has been clean since.
Obama is still a smoker, though he tries to hide it.

Honesty: While Rush may not always be right, I have never known him to tell a lie. If you have, please inform me.
Obama, on the other hand, has told many, many lies (NONE of which I heard of via Rush). He lied about Selma. He lied about WWII. He lied about several of his acquaintences. If you want specifics, just ask.

Speaking Ability: Rush speaks from his beliefs, his convictions. He may not speak perfectly, but he generally communicates his ideas well.
Obama speaks from a script, and not well at that. He mispeaks constantly. He can even read the wrong speech without realizing it!

If you would like to compare them on another issue/trait/topice/whatever, just name it.

obdaddy

I left a couple of comments on a YouTube video of the Alan Grayson thing and got suckered into a debate with this guy obdaddy. So far, we’ve gone back and forth on waterboarding, torture, religion, the media, Rush, Crowder, Obama, liberalism, conservatism, and a good bit more. Essentially, he’s a bitter middle-aged man who can’t send a message or leave a comment without being condescending (concerning our age gap), insulting people (“tea baggers”), or something of the like.

It’s almost funny how he calls me a “zombie” and a “sheep” when he regurgitates (or at least appears to) stuff I’ve heard many, many times. Let’s just go through a quick rundown of some of what he’s said to me.

• He really harped on Rush being a druggie, despite me trying to explain that Rush got hooked on what was originally necessary medicine (or as necessary as painkillers can be). He also consistently ignored the fact that Rush kicked the drug.
• He told me to stop mindlessly listening to Hannity, Beck, and the like. I told him I’ve watched Hannity maybe three times and I’ve never even heard or watched Beck, or any of a number of other people he mentioned. He proceeded to call me a liar. To which I say, why would I lie about something like that? I told him I listen to Rush! Why wouldn’t I “admit” to listening to Beck or Hannity if I did? It makes no sense to me.
• He said that waterboarding is torture because the waterboard-ee doesn’t know that it’s relatively harmless. So, apparently, we’re now allowing the ignorance (or lack thereof) of terrorists to dictate what we define as torture.
• He accused me of being in a cult when I said I believe that the overwhelming majority of “Christians” are not Christians at all. However, I gave him specific Biblical reasons for this. He replied by saying that not everyone believes the Bible. To which I said that that doesn’t matter! Do you have to believe the Qur’an in order to use it to determine whether or not someone’s a Muslim? No.
• He called pretty much every sort of media “snake oil salesman” (Rush, ESPN, liberal news, Disney, etc.), apparently because their motivation is selling adspace and stuff. I’ve asked him if he hates capitalism or something, but no response to that yet.
• He says that I’m just a young idealist who’ll learn better as I grow. Does that ring just plain false with anyone else? Let’s see, the demographics show that a much bigger proportion of middle-aged people are conservative compared to the number of college students who are conservative. Seems to me that it is far more likely that my peers will grow to be conservatives, rather than us few conservatives growing to be liberals.
• He essentially called liberalism the ideal of being benevolent, of helping society’s weak and claimed that conservatives construe health care for all as “evil.” I asked him what he, personally, does to help society’s weak and gave a few examples of what I’ve done, pointing out that liberals would actually have laws passed forcing others to care for society’s weak, rather than caring for them themselves. He hasn’t yet cited a single thing he’s done to care for the weak. He also told me not to try and pass off missionary work as anything other than condescending and rude. Someone’s got to explain that one to me.
• He said Tea Partiers are racist and hateful but has yet to supply a single example (although I did ask). He claims he’s not calling me racist but says I “protest too much” when I gave him the short version of what’s in my letter to Janeane Garofalo.

Any thoughts?